[Blabber] AutoDesk/3D Printing PC Advice?

Ben S ben.sugimori at gmail.com
Fri May 31 20:50:21 UTC 2013


I'll need to re-evaluate my approach to computers, it seems.

"Has the whole World gone Crazy? Am I the only one here who gives a Shit about the Rules?!?"
- Walter Sobchak

Thanks, folks.

BenS

On May 31, 2013, at 16:40, Guan Yang <guan at yang.dk> wrote:

> Clock speeds are usually comparable within the same family and generation of processors, and X% higher clock speed will give you between maybe 0.5X and X% higher single threaded performance for CPU bound tasks.
> 
> They mean much less for different kinds of processors because of big differences in microarchitecture. More cores are nice, but single threaded performance is still important for many workloads, and dramatic improvements come not from clock speed or voltage, but microarchitecture. 
> 
> 
> On Friday, May 31, 2013 at 16:36 , Ben S wrote:
> 
>> Thanks! 
>> So quad-4GHz is a dated form of greedy. 
>> 
>> It's been a while.
>> 
>> BenS
>> 
>> On May 31, 2013, at 16:34, Robert Diamond <rmd6502 at gmail.com (mailto:rmd6502 at gmail.com)> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, memory (esp swap) and i/o speed make more difference now - 1.8ghz with 8gb will compile much faster than 3.6ghz with 4gb
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Matt Lynch <njdevil at gmail.com (mailto:njdevil at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>> Clock speeds (like 4GHz) used to be important prior to the mid-2000's (aka, the Transistor Wars), but really arent that much of a difference anymore with parallel cores.
>>>> 4 cores at 2.5GHz will surpass 2 at 4GHz.
>>>> Of course 4 @ 4GHz would beat the 4 at 2.5 (mailto:4 at 2.5), but not by that much to warrant the extra price.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com (mailto:ben.sugimori at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, thanks. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That was my concern. A10's AMD's "best," but I was kinda iffy on how I felt about it. 
>>>>> Besides, I'm still aiming for 4GHz.... Heh.
>>>>> 
>>>>> BenS
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2013, at 16:27, Matt Lynch <njdevil at gmail.com (mailto:njdevil at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally, I would be afraid of getting an AMD processor & chipset.
>>>>>> Ive only ever heard reviews from friends that range from average at best and unreliable at the worst, with the mean on the low-side of average.
>>>>>> I stick with Intel cause it works (most of the time).....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com (mailto:ben.sugimori at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>>>> OK:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now I've narrowed things to $543, for an HP Pavillion P7-1417, quad-core A10 (3.4GHz), DDR3 20GB SDRAM, AMD Radeon HD 7660D, 64-Bit, with a 2TB HDD. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think I'd upgrade to a SDD eventually. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. aren't important.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any warnings before I leap into a hasty purchase? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> BenS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 31, 2013, at 15:31, Matt Lynch <njdevil at gmail.com (mailto:njdevil at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I only build my own computers, I havent had a pre-built one since 1995?
>>>>>>>> This full rig cost $1000-1200, but its also for playing AAA games, like Borderlands 2, which you may not necessarily need to do.
>>>>>>>> There are higher grade processors & motherboards than I listed below, but those are for generally meant for the fancy designers, and is definitely overkill to start with.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Here's a brief total from Newegg:
>>>>>>>> i7 Processor: ~$300
>>>>>>>> 16GB RAM: ~$120 (around $60 per 8GB)
>>>>>>>> LGA 1155 Mobo: $100-150
>>>>>>>> Graphics card: $50-100 (depending on how fancy you want to get, these can quickly go over $200)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So far, $570-670
>>>>>>>> If you dont have an ATX case or a sufficient Power Supply, that will cost at least $100
>>>>>>>> If you dont have a Hard Drive, that will cost another $50-100 (currently around $35/1TB)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com (mailto:ben.sugimori at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I've been checking out quad-core i7 machines, including a Mac Mini w/Fusion Drive, but I think it's gonna have to be full-on PC. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've used Autodesk CAD software before on a borrowed laptop, so I know it's DOable - just wondering what it's going to cost me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm going to look through Factory Refurbished options... 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> BenS
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2013, at 15:09, Matt Lynch <njdevil at gmail.com (mailto:njdevil at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ive suffered through getting 3ds Max on my Win 7 gaming rig and I had to buy both a new processor and tons of RAM, 8GB wasnt enough, kept chunking during renders.
>>>>>>>>>> Sandy or Ivy Bridge i7 (i5 might not be as good, need all that extra processing power)
>>>>>>>>>> 20GB RAM
>>>>>>>>>> ATI Radeon 6950HD 1GB? (it uses more system memory than vid memory)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Now if I could only get it to export a proper manifold STL..... never could get it to create a manifold with the newest versions of Slicer (tried 30+ times), so I stopped using it and went to OpenSCAD.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com (mailto:ben.sugimori at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I managed to get Autodesk Design Suite Ultimate 2013 at student pricing - a bargain! - and am looking to get a PC capable of running it, along with the Solidoodle 3D Printer I've ordered.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Can anybody recommend a machine (in the sub-$1k range) that would be a good fit?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not married to any brand nor configuration; the only limitation is that it has to run Windows 7.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Any advice/recommendations would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> BenS
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