[Blabber] Hackable guns

Ben S ben.sugimori at gmail.com
Sat May 11 06:44:56 UTC 2013


Do they only bleed from the mouth, like, if you shoot their toe? It's nice how most zombies get names, but "terrorist" is just a dude with a beard & turban. Classy.

Pry the gun from their cold, undead hands - ha!

BenS

On May 11, 2013, at 0:13, Antonio <diveblends at gmail.com> wrote:

> They do offer considerable variety:
> http://zombieindustries.com/shop/category/bleeding-zombie-targets/
> 
> I'm undecided between the Eurasian Boar & Bobo
> 
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Robert O'Connor <robby.oconnor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pardon my French: the fuck?
>> 
>> --rob
>> 
>> Sent from my phone...excuse any typos.
>> 
>> On May 10, 2013 10:11 PM, "Mark Phelan" <phelanm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 21st century culture:
>>>  http://www.alternet.org/nra-convention-sells-ex-girlfriend-target-bleeds-when-you-shoot-it
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > The blue and pink goo will save us!
>>> >
>>> > BenS
>>> >
>>> > On May 10, 2013, at 18:13, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > When 3d printing evolves according to Moores Law, over time, true nano will
>>> > be born. I'm guessing fifty years tops.
>>> > At that point we're opening apolyptic seals big time... (wit. The "grey goo
>>> > theory")
>>> > As such, some kind of framework will have to be established to handle folks
>>> > who want to stray into the grey goo zone...
>>> >
>>> > davesky
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>>> > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:04:25 -0400
>>> >
>>> > Are you proposing licensing 3D printers? That'll never fly! The culture of
>>> > Open Source/DIY's ethos is in direct conflict with such government
>>> > oversight.
>>> >
>>> > Assholes will always find new ways of hurting innocent people - nobody can
>>> > anticipate all the potential scenarios.
>>> >
>>> > On the flip side, paranoid folks worrying about The Man taking away their
>>> > Freedoms really see the government in a much more flattering light than is
>>> > appropriate. Incompetence is a much more worrisome problem there.
>>> >
>>> > Teaching wood shop and mechanics in public schools doesn't implicitly lead
>>> > to kids guillotining their teachers. Sure, It's Possible, but it's certainly
>>> > not an epidemic.
>>> >
>>> > This 3D printing thing's in the same club as the Cotton Gin, the Printing
>>> > Press, and the Internet: a few hiccups are to be expected at first, but it's
>>> > not breaking The Seven Seals of The Apocalypse. It's just change.... As
>>> > usual.
>>> >
>>> > BenS
>>> >
>>> > On May 10, 2013, at 17:06, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I don't see this as being vastly different from ancient sumeria developing
>>> > the code of hamurabi.
>>> >
>>> > The reality is, if you are going to go around offering to build houses for
>>> > people, you are going to be held accountable for killing people when they
>>> > fall down.
>>> >
>>> > if you are going to be going to own a chemical assembly plant... you are
>>> > going to be held accountable for what you produce.
>>> >
>>> > In modern times that means being licensed and regulated.  Nothing wrong with
>>> > that as long as accessibility is merit based rather than financial.
>>> >
>>> > -Matt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:53 PM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > this is the first thread ive established that's actually fun to read!
>>> >
>>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>>> > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:12:54 -0400
>>> >
>>> > Might want to qualify the term, "libertarian," when self-applied - Mussolini
>>> > could fit a broad-stroke interpretation of that term.
>>> >
>>> > I prefer Leonard Cohen's statement of political conviction, "when it all
>>> > comes down to dust, I will kill you if I must; I will help you if I can/and
>>> > when it all comes down to dust, I will help you if I must; I will kill you
>>> > if I can."
>>> >
>>> > The constitution was written a long time ago. It isn't shabby for something
>>> > written when Everything was Completely Different, but yeah: Change is always
>>> > accompanied by violent birth pains.
>>> >
>>> > The sky ain't falling yet, though.
>>> >
>>> > BenS
>>> >
>>> > On May 9, 2013, at 12:01, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm a libertarian at heart wrt freedom to put chems into ones own body, but
>>> > of course when the lab-on-a-chip comes to fruition, there will be no end to
>>> > the hue and cry, and the laws will probably become completely distopian...
>>> > These concepts are completely beyond typical 20th century thinking, and
>>> > the constitution wasn't even designed to handle this sort of freedom. This
>>> > may finally determine if man's big brain is really worth all the nerve
>>> > cells...
>>> >
>>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>>> > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:54:23 -0400
>>> >
>>> > "Ice Nine" will finally be realized!
>>> >
>>> > BenS
>>> >
>>> > On May 9, 2013, at 11:50, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Wait until the genetic research guys in Sandy Eggo start making cheap chem
>>> > labs on a chip... Instant crack, LSD, heroin, just add water! The weapon
>>> > thing is just the tip of the ice-berg (heh heh). Look up companies like
>>> > Affymetrics...
>>> >
>>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>>> > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 15:50:24 -0400
>>> >
>>> > You should tell your teachers that (insert homework subject here) leads to
>>> > guns getting made - odds are, it has as much to do with them as does 3D
>>> > printing!
>>> >
>>> > 3D printed fighter jets Are real, however. Lockheed Martin has a
>>> > top-of-any-conceivable-line setup, to print in titanium and stealth
>>> > composites.
>>> >
>>> > THAT's what they should freak out about - folks flying around in their own
>>> > personal fighter jets!
>>> >
>>> > I mean, if it's even remotely possible, it's a safe bet that teenagers are
>>> > doing it; so it's perfectly sane to freak the Hell out before considering
>>> > what it would realistically take to accomplish any of this.
>>> >
>>> > Can I fly your 3D printed Stealth Bomber this weekend? I know you've got
>>> > your own personal 3D-printed Area 51, and the aliens have taught you how to
>>> > make WMDs, after all.... ;-)
>>> >
>>> > BenS
>>> >
>>> > On May 8, 2013, at 15:26, Matthew Duepner <matthewduepner14 at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > This whole thing is  ridiculous.   I had just gotten in the elevator when
>>> > the head of my school mentioned 3D printed guns.
>>> >
>>> > On May 8, 2013 11:48 AM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm no expert. Weapons can be plastic, however.  Some rpg and surface-to-air
>>> > missile launchers are plastic, and in fact, are made by Mattel
>>> >
>>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "Hack Manhattan!" <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>>> > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:44:43 -0400
>>> >
>>> > And what undetectable ammo, rifled barrel, cooling system, spent brass
>>> > ejection, etc. would work with it?
>>> >
>>> > Without a rifled steel barrel, you'd have an ALREADY notoriously inaccurate
>>> > gun shoot even Less accurately, while disintegrating or exploding in your
>>> > hand.
>>> >
>>> > How about the bulge of a huge, impractical submachine pistol in your
>>> > clothing/luggage?
>>> >
>>> > A full-auto would mean repeated contained explosions. Could any 3D printing
>>> > that isn't ridiculously out of reach handle such repeated structural stress
>>> > and intense heat?
>>> >
>>> > Guns are heavy for a reason.
>>> >
>>> > BenS
>>> >
>>> > On May 8, 2013 11:28 AM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'm not debating the resiliency of litho resin.  Here's the thing:
>>> > 1:   Print out uzi kit
>>> > 2:   Produce casting dies
>>> > 3:   Reproduce parts with delrin or other heavy duty plastic
>>> > 4:   Instant undetectable weapon
>>> > --- guan at yang.dk wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Guan Yang <guan at yang.dk>
>>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>>> > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:39:32 -0400
>>> >
>>> > Exactly. I think all the people printing guns are basically a PR stunt right
>>> > now. How many times would you want to fire a printed gun? How close would
>>> > you want to stand when it fires?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 at 14:38 , Matthew Duepner wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I agree. It sounds stupid unless you are suicidal or are trying to prove a
>>> >> point.
>>> >> On May 7, 2013 2:36 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com
>>> >> (mailto:matt at nycresistor.com)> wrote:
>>> >> > easier to make a gun on a lathe.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <fractal at maui.net
>>> >> > (mailto:fractal at maui.net)> wrote:
>>> >> > > Speaking of hacking and machines, how about the new trend of using
>>> >> > > stereolithography to print out guns and other weapons?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Do you think there could be a legal backlash in the works? (think meth
>>> >> > > lab vs allergy pills)
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Davesky
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
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