[Blabber] Hackable guns

Antonio diveblends at gmail.com
Sat May 11 04:13:55 UTC 2013


They do offer considerable variety:
http://zombieindustries.com/shop/category/bleeding-zombie-targets/

I'm undecided between the Eurasian Boar & Bobo

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Robert O'Connor
<robby.oconnor at gmail.com>wrote:

> Pardon my French: the fuck?
>
> --rob
>
> Sent from my phone...excuse any typos.
> On May 10, 2013 10:11 PM, "Mark Phelan" <phelanm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 21st century culture:
>>
>> http://www.alternet.org/nra-convention-sells-ex-girlfriend-target-bleeds-when-you-shoot-it
>>
>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The blue and pink goo will save us!
>> >
>> > BenS
>> >
>> > On May 10, 2013, at 18:13, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > When 3d printing evolves according to Moores Law, over time, true nano
>> will
>> > be born. I'm guessing fifty years tops.
>> > At that point we're opening apolyptic seals big time... (wit. The "grey
>> goo
>> > theory")
>> > As such, some kind of framework will have to be established to handle
>> folks
>> > who want to stray into the grey goo zone...
>> >
>> > davesky
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>> > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:04:25 -0400
>> >
>> > Are you proposing licensing 3D printers? That'll never fly! The culture
>> of
>> > Open Source/DIY's ethos is in direct conflict with such government
>> > oversight.
>> >
>> > Assholes will always find new ways of hurting innocent people - nobody
>> can
>> > anticipate all the potential scenarios.
>> >
>> > On the flip side, paranoid folks worrying about The Man taking away
>> their
>> > Freedoms really see the government in a much more flattering light than
>> is
>> > appropriate. Incompetence is a much more worrisome problem there.
>> >
>> > Teaching wood shop and mechanics in public schools doesn't implicitly
>> lead
>> > to kids guillotining their teachers. Sure, It's Possible, but it's
>> certainly
>> > not an epidemic.
>> >
>> > This 3D printing thing's in the same club as the Cotton Gin, the
>> Printing
>> > Press, and the Internet: a few hiccups are to be expected at first, but
>> it's
>> > not breaking The Seven Seals of The Apocalypse. It's just change.... As
>> > usual.
>> >
>> > BenS
>> >
>> > On May 10, 2013, at 17:06, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't see this as being vastly different from ancient sumeria
>> developing
>> > the code of hamurabi.
>> >
>> > The reality is, if you are going to go around offering to build houses
>> for
>> > people, you are going to be held accountable for killing people when
>> they
>> > fall down.
>> >
>> > if you are going to be going to own a chemical assembly plant... you are
>> > going to be held accountable for what you produce.
>> >
>> > In modern times that means being licensed and regulated.  Nothing wrong
>> with
>> > that as long as accessibility is merit based rather than financial.
>> >
>> > -Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:53 PM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > this is the first thread ive established that's actually fun to read!
>> >
>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>> > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:12:54 -0400
>> >
>> > Might want to qualify the term, "libertarian," when self-applied -
>> Mussolini
>> > could fit a broad-stroke interpretation of that term.
>> >
>> > I prefer Leonard Cohen's statement of political conviction, "when it all
>> > comes down to dust, I will kill you if I must; I will help you if I
>> can/and
>> > when it all comes down to dust, I will help you if I must; I will kill
>> you
>> > if I can."
>> >
>> > The constitution was written a long time ago. It isn't shabby for
>> something
>> > written when Everything was Completely Different, but yeah: Change is
>> always
>> > accompanied by violent birth pains.
>> >
>> > The sky ain't falling yet, though.
>> >
>> > BenS
>> >
>> > On May 9, 2013, at 12:01, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm a libertarian at heart wrt freedom to put chems into ones own body,
>> but
>> > of course when the lab-on-a-chip comes to fruition, there will be no
>> end to
>> > the hue and cry, and the laws will probably become completely
>> distopian...
>> > These concepts are completely beyond typical 20th century thinking, and
>> > the constitution wasn't even designed to handle this sort of freedom.
>> This
>> > may finally determine if man's big brain is really worth all the nerve
>> > cells...
>> >
>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>> > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:54:23 -0400
>> >
>> > "Ice Nine" will finally be realized!
>> >
>> > BenS
>> >
>> > On May 9, 2013, at 11:50, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Wait until the genetic research guys in Sandy Eggo start making cheap
>> chem
>> > labs on a chip... Instant crack, LSD, heroin, just add water! The weapon
>> > thing is just the tip of the ice-berg (heh heh). Look up companies like
>> > Affymetrics...
>> >
>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>> > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 15:50:24 -0400
>> >
>> > You should tell your teachers that (insert homework subject here) leads
>> to
>> > guns getting made - odds are, it has as much to do with them as does 3D
>> > printing!
>> >
>> > 3D printed fighter jets Are real, however. Lockheed Martin has a
>> > top-of-any-conceivable-line setup, to print in titanium and stealth
>> > composites.
>> >
>> > THAT's what they should freak out about - folks flying around in their
>> own
>> > personal fighter jets!
>> >
>> > I mean, if it's even remotely possible, it's a safe bet that teenagers
>> are
>> > doing it; so it's perfectly sane to freak the Hell out before
>> considering
>> > what it would realistically take to accomplish any of this.
>> >
>> > Can I fly your 3D printed Stealth Bomber this weekend? I know you've got
>> > your own personal 3D-printed Area 51, and the aliens have taught you
>> how to
>> > make WMDs, after all.... ;-)
>> >
>> > BenS
>> >
>> > On May 8, 2013, at 15:26, Matthew Duepner <matthewduepner14 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > This whole thing is  ridiculous.   I had just gotten in the elevator
>> when
>> > the head of my school mentioned 3D printed guns.
>> >
>> > On May 8, 2013 11:48 AM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm no expert. Weapons can be plastic, however.  Some rpg and
>> surface-to-air
>> > missile launchers are plastic, and in fact, are made by Mattel
>> >
>> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Hack Manhattan!" <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>> > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:44:43 -0400
>> >
>> > And what undetectable ammo, rifled barrel, cooling system, spent brass
>> > ejection, etc. would work with it?
>> >
>> > Without a rifled steel barrel, you'd have an ALREADY notoriously
>> inaccurate
>> > gun shoot even Less accurately, while disintegrating or exploding in
>> your
>> > hand.
>> >
>> > How about the bulge of a huge, impractical submachine pistol in your
>> > clothing/luggage?
>> >
>> > A full-auto would mean repeated contained explosions. Could any 3D
>> printing
>> > that isn't ridiculously out of reach handle such repeated structural
>> stress
>> > and intense heat?
>> >
>> > Guns are heavy for a reason.
>> >
>> > BenS
>> >
>> > On May 8, 2013 11:28 AM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm not debating the resiliency of litho resin.  Here's the thing:
>> > 1:   Print out uzi kit
>> > 2:   Produce casting dies
>> > 3:   Reproduce parts with delrin or other heavy duty plastic
>> > 4:   Instant undetectable weapon
>> > --- guan at yang.dk wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Guan Yang <guan at yang.dk>
>> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
>> > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:39:32 -0400
>> >
>> > Exactly. I think all the people printing guns are basically a PR stunt
>> right
>> > now. How many times would you want to fire a printed gun? How close
>> would
>> > you want to stand when it fires?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 at 14:38 , Matthew Duepner wrote:
>> >
>> >> I agree. It sounds stupid unless you are suicidal or are trying to
>> prove a
>> >> point.
>> >> On May 7, 2013 2:36 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com
>> >> (mailto:matt at nycresistor.com)> wrote:
>> >> > easier to make a gun on a lathe.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <fractal at maui.net
>> >> > (mailto:fractal at maui.net)> wrote:
>> >> > > Speaking of hacking and machines, how about the new trend of using
>> >> > > stereolithography to print out guns and other weapons?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Do you think there could be a legal backlash in the works? (think
>> meth
>> >> > > lab vs allergy pills)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Davesky
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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