[Blabber] Hackable guns

Robert O'Connor robby.oconnor at gmail.com
Sat May 11 02:29:30 UTC 2013


Pardon my French: the fuck?

--rob

Sent from my phone...excuse any typos.
On May 10, 2013 10:11 PM, "Mark Phelan" <phelanm at gmail.com> wrote:

> 21st century culture:
>
> http://www.alternet.org/nra-convention-sells-ex-girlfriend-target-bleeds-when-you-shoot-it
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The blue and pink goo will save us!
> >
> > BenS
> >
> > On May 10, 2013, at 18:13, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
> >
> > When 3d printing evolves according to Moores Law, over time, true nano
> will
> > be born. I'm guessing fifty years tops.
> > At that point we're opening apolyptic seals big time... (wit. The "grey
> goo
> > theory")
> > As such, some kind of framework will have to be established to handle
> folks
> > who want to stray into the grey goo zone...
> >
> > davesky
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
> > Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:04:25 -0400
> >
> > Are you proposing licensing 3D printers? That'll never fly! The culture
> of
> > Open Source/DIY's ethos is in direct conflict with such government
> > oversight.
> >
> > Assholes will always find new ways of hurting innocent people - nobody
> can
> > anticipate all the potential scenarios.
> >
> > On the flip side, paranoid folks worrying about The Man taking away their
> > Freedoms really see the government in a much more flattering light than
> is
> > appropriate. Incompetence is a much more worrisome problem there.
> >
> > Teaching wood shop and mechanics in public schools doesn't implicitly
> lead
> > to kids guillotining their teachers. Sure, It's Possible, but it's
> certainly
> > not an epidemic.
> >
> > This 3D printing thing's in the same club as the Cotton Gin, the Printing
> > Press, and the Internet: a few hiccups are to be expected at first, but
> it's
> > not breaking The Seven Seals of The Apocalypse. It's just change.... As
> > usual.
> >
> > BenS
> >
> > On May 10, 2013, at 17:06, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't see this as being vastly different from ancient sumeria
> developing
> > the code of hamurabi.
> >
> > The reality is, if you are going to go around offering to build houses
> for
> > people, you are going to be held accountable for killing people when they
> > fall down.
> >
> > if you are going to be going to own a chemical assembly plant... you are
> > going to be held accountable for what you produce.
> >
> > In modern times that means being licensed and regulated.  Nothing wrong
> with
> > that as long as accessibility is merit based rather than financial.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:53 PM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
> >
> > this is the first thread ive established that's actually fun to read!
> >
> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
> > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:12:54 -0400
> >
> > Might want to qualify the term, "libertarian," when self-applied -
> Mussolini
> > could fit a broad-stroke interpretation of that term.
> >
> > I prefer Leonard Cohen's statement of political conviction, "when it all
> > comes down to dust, I will kill you if I must; I will help you if I
> can/and
> > when it all comes down to dust, I will help you if I must; I will kill
> you
> > if I can."
> >
> > The constitution was written a long time ago. It isn't shabby for
> something
> > written when Everything was Completely Different, but yeah: Change is
> always
> > accompanied by violent birth pains.
> >
> > The sky ain't falling yet, though.
> >
> > BenS
> >
> > On May 9, 2013, at 12:01, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'm a libertarian at heart wrt freedom to put chems into ones own body,
> but
> > of course when the lab-on-a-chip comes to fruition, there will be no end
> to
> > the hue and cry, and the laws will probably become completely
> distopian...
> > These concepts are completely beyond typical 20th century thinking, and
> > the constitution wasn't even designed to handle this sort of freedom.
> This
> > may finally determine if man's big brain is really worth all the nerve
> > cells...
> >
> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
> > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:54:23 -0400
> >
> > "Ice Nine" will finally be realized!
> >
> > BenS
> >
> > On May 9, 2013, at 11:50, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
> >
> > Wait until the genetic research guys in Sandy Eggo start making cheap
> chem
> > labs on a chip... Instant crack, LSD, heroin, just add water! The weapon
> > thing is just the tip of the ice-berg (heh heh). Look up companies like
> > Affymetrics...
> >
> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
> > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 15:50:24 -0400
> >
> > You should tell your teachers that (insert homework subject here) leads
> to
> > guns getting made - odds are, it has as much to do with them as does 3D
> > printing!
> >
> > 3D printed fighter jets Are real, however. Lockheed Martin has a
> > top-of-any-conceivable-line setup, to print in titanium and stealth
> > composites.
> >
> > THAT's what they should freak out about - folks flying around in their
> own
> > personal fighter jets!
> >
> > I mean, if it's even remotely possible, it's a safe bet that teenagers
> are
> > doing it; so it's perfectly sane to freak the Hell out before considering
> > what it would realistically take to accomplish any of this.
> >
> > Can I fly your 3D printed Stealth Bomber this weekend? I know you've got
> > your own personal 3D-printed Area 51, and the aliens have taught you how
> to
> > make WMDs, after all.... ;-)
> >
> > BenS
> >
> > On May 8, 2013, at 15:26, Matthew Duepner <matthewduepner14 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > This whole thing is  ridiculous.   I had just gotten in the elevator when
> > the head of my school mentioned 3D printed guns.
> >
> > On May 8, 2013 11:48 AM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'm no expert. Weapons can be plastic, however.  Some rpg and
> surface-to-air
> > missile launchers are plastic, and in fact, are made by Mattel
> >
> > --- ben.sugimori at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > From: Ben S <ben.sugimori at gmail.com>
> > To: "Hack Manhattan!" <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
> > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:44:43 -0400
> >
> > And what undetectable ammo, rifled barrel, cooling system, spent brass
> > ejection, etc. would work with it?
> >
> > Without a rifled steel barrel, you'd have an ALREADY notoriously
> inaccurate
> > gun shoot even Less accurately, while disintegrating or exploding in your
> > hand.
> >
> > How about the bulge of a huge, impractical submachine pistol in your
> > clothing/luggage?
> >
> > A full-auto would mean repeated contained explosions. Could any 3D
> printing
> > that isn't ridiculously out of reach handle such repeated structural
> stress
> > and intense heat?
> >
> > Guns are heavy for a reason.
> >
> > BenS
> >
> > On May 8, 2013 11:28 AM, <fractal at maui.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm not debating the resiliency of litho resin.  Here's the thing:
> > 1:   Print out uzi kit
> > 2:   Produce casting dies
> > 3:   Reproduce parts with delrin or other heavy duty plastic
> > 4:   Instant undetectable weapon
> > --- guan at yang.dk wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Guan Yang <guan at yang.dk>
> > To: Hack Manhattan! <blabber at list.hackmanhattan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Blabber] Hackable guns
> > Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:39:32 -0400
> >
> > Exactly. I think all the people printing guns are basically a PR stunt
> right
> > now. How many times would you want to fire a printed gun? How close would
> > you want to stand when it fires?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 at 14:38 , Matthew Duepner wrote:
> >
> >> I agree. It sounds stupid unless you are suicidal or are trying to
> prove a
> >> point.
> >> On May 7, 2013 2:36 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com
> >> (mailto:matt at nycresistor.com)> wrote:
> >> > easier to make a gun on a lathe.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM, <fractal at maui.net
> >> > (mailto:fractal at maui.net)> wrote:
> >> > > Speaking of hacking and machines, how about the new trend of using
> >> > > stereolithography to print out guns and other weapons?
> >> > >
> >> > > Do you think there could be a legal backlash in the works? (think
> meth
> >> > > lab vs allergy pills)
> >> > >
> >> > > Davesky
> >> > >
> >> > >
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