[Blabber] infrastructure choices

Kenneth Gutierrez kennypg at gmail.com
Sun Nov 13 14:29:21 EST 2011


Just curious, has Google rescinded or reneged on its 'Don't be evil'
policy? Has their moral credibility declined among the online cognoscenti?
What does the EFF think of them, for example?

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rendall <rendall at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the Google route for several reasons.
>
> * We get up and running immediately with features we won't have otherwise:
>     * calendar subscriptions & events,
>     * widespread adoption and de-facto internet standards,
>     * archiving on a stable distributed cloud (which doesn't prevent us
> from archiving on our own server(s)),
>     * Google Docs with its sharing and collaboration and API!  (My arts
> collective, Disorient, has organized 1500+ person parties using
> Spreadsheets),
>     * Google Moderator, Google Checkout (if ever necessary), Google Maps,
> Earth, Code (!), Scholar, Books, Plus, Sketch-Up, etc, etc... all of which
> have APIs!
>    * flexible notification / management options, *and*...
> * There are *plenty* of options for Hackability:  Google Scripts, Google
> Apps, easy Android integration.  API.  Did I mention the APIs?
>     * I've learned a lot about programming and web development through
> poking around Google's shit.  They are still among the most innovative
> developers on the planet.
>
> I don't like the Google route for several reasons:
> * What Daniel said.
> * Google can and does arbitrarily modify and even stop services for
> internal reasons.
> * Google is unresponsive to their clients.
> * We are at the mercy of another organization.
> * Google keeps track.
>
> Synthesizing those realities:
> * Google offers more than we will be able to do for ourselves, even though
> we are mad geniuses with lots of time on our hands.
> * Dependency on Google is a Bad Thing.
> * There is lots of learning / hackability to be had from Google products.
> * Philosophically speaking:
>     * Google is a 400 pound Goliath, and we are scrappy little Davids.
>     * Keep friends close, keep enemies closer.
>
> My take-away:
> * Let's use and abuse Google's services until our infrastructure matures.
> * Exercise due caution:
>     * back up our shit!  http://dataliberationfront.org
>     * do not use any service that locks us in.
> * Explore the awesome.  Really understand Google's APIs and methodologies.
>  It can only make us better hackers.
> * When something isn't working for us, let's make our own!
> * Some hackerspaces will not respect us if we use Google at all.  Fuck 'em
> and their high horse too.
>
> Now that I fixed that for everyone, let's talk about our Facebook Page...
> >:)
>
>
>
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